Club Penguin Fanon Wiki:Council

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The Club Penguin Fanon Wiki Council is a legislation of users that discuss and vote on current topics and proposals. Archived topics go here, no matter the outcome.

Modeled after the CPW and Shops' Councils.

Guidelines[edit]

  • Any users that qualify according to our Voting Policy may vote in all topics presented in the council. Users that don't qualify to vote may still give their opinion in the comments section.
  • Any user that qualifies to vote is allowed to open a council topic, though nonsense topics may be discarded without notification.
  • The amount of time a topic will stay open for voting will be at the admins' discretion. A typical vote is open for about two weeks.
  • Controversial topics which have a small vote differential (e.g. +1) may or may not pass. This will be discussed and decided among the administration.
  • Demotion votes for users do not belong here; they get their own demotion vote page.
  • We ask that all users who vote "neutral" state why they voted neutral, rather than choosing a side "For" or "Against". Neutral votes without an explanation will be removed.
  • Topics that have been closed (or failed) must be closed for four months before a similar topic can be introduced.
    • Votes regarding user rights and the Wall of Fame are not subject to this rule under the condition that the proposals are related to different users.
  • Comments on topics should be constructive and add to the discussion, otherwise they may be removed.

The administration holds a special ability, called veto. When half of the present (active/partially active) administration votes against a proposal (if they have good reason for doing so), it will automatically be discarded, or vetoed.

The Table[edit]

Please use this formatting when adding a new topic. Place your topic at the bottom of the section, below the line. Don't forget to sign it!

===Topic name (+/- 0)===
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====Neutral (0)====
====Comments====

Topics[edit]

Delete non-English articles (-2)[edit]

The presence of these articles has always confused me. The fact that they're so few and far between means that someone who can only read in that language won't be able to read most of the wiki, so I don't think they're really helping. Even the alternate language versions of the main page are severely outdated, and they both just link straight to English articles, making them pointless. The Spanish version even uses the English versions of the featured article and user template, while the templates that have been translated are severely outdated. Template:ArtlFr would be deleted along with these, as it wouldn't be needed anymore. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 21:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

For (4)[edit]

  1. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 21:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. Mario Rk 21:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. User:Radioactivechicken
  4. --CAN'DUH Bro Talk to me! OH YEEEEEEAH 00:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Against (6)[edit]

  1. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 19:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  4. Penguinpuffdude BOY-SCOUT IS THE FAN'S FAVOURITE WORD! It's almost the summer holidays! 01:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  5. --SlenderXP Talk to me 13:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  6. --QP.png QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS! (talk). Contributions A link Quackerpingu2.png 15:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Neutral (4)[edit]

  1. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 20:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. ish --User:EDFan12345 21:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. --get on the tightrope ARB logo.png anyAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 10:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  4. CKSysop 13:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • Fanon is as an Anglo-dominated wiki but not to the point that all non-Anglo people controlled by that part of the community. Fanon should celebrate the linguistical and cultural diversity of its users. Regardless, perhaps what should be done is ban non-English articles that don't have English translations, or at the very least move those translations to userspace or something of that sort. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I agree let's keep maintaining the language articles for the users we don't even have! Mario Rk 21:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
      • We have quite a lot of users that don't use English as their first language and even among those that do use it, there are many who don't speak just English (like Brant, even you Mario if I'm correct). Additionally, those language translations are part of our heritage and history in some ways too, though I do admit there's no space to improve them if there are no users anymore that speak that language. Portuguese had a lot of speakers here, but they all eventually vanished. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 08:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't mind just sending all the translated pages to the userspace, where users could continue to work on them as fun projects if they felt like it. It's just them being in the mainspace that bothers me, especially with realistically how few articles end up getting translated, (the language warning template is only linked on a whopping 8 pages) which would give non-English speakers a very incomplete experience. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 21:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
      • If you think about it, 8 pages actually isn't that many. There are far more pages written (or translated) in English than these foreign languages. Penguinpuffdude BOY-SCOUT IS THE FAN'S FAVOURITE WORD! It's almost the summer holidays! 01:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
        • The scarcity is exactly why I want them deleted. If there were a lot of translated articles that foreign speakers could read, it would make sense to have them here, but as it stands there's barely anything for foreign speakers to read anyway. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 14:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
          • Which is why they should be updated and there should be more of them. You can do that yourself - so can Mario from what I know, he is fluent in Spanish right? --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 17:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, I understand and appreciate our foreign language articles as a sign of diversity on the wiki, but I also understand the scarcity and unlikeliness that we'll have many (if any) users that speak those languages. CKSysop 06:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Also, I would like to remind everybody something they don't know - English is not the official language of this wiki, and it has no official language. We are not "Club Penguin Fanon Wiki English", we are just "Club Penguin Fanon Wiki" and there has never been anything designated as an official language. Non-English articles should continue to be allowed, and while not necessarily encouraged, they should be protected. They are not only a richness even though they are in a different language, they also show the richness another language that isn't English has. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 19:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Wow, I knew that! CKSysop 00:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I, personally, would like to see more of these foreign articles so that people who come here and do not speak English can at least have something. I think we also should have something like original Club Penguin did where you can select your language and the wiki is automatically translated. This is just my wishful thinking, though. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  • While I absolutely love the diversity of the wiki, I feel that keeping the articles without a sound commitment to improving and expanding the quality and amount of articles in that language only serves to harm the wiki through showcasing a stagnate project. I would be in favor if there was a project going forward to attempt to translate and write articles in a chosen language. It is important to note that the multi-language wiki movement was primarily spearheaded by Swiss, who wanted Spanish, Portuguese(?), and other languages. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 20:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I do agree. That is why imo we should work on improving the quality of current foreign-language articles rather than deleting them. And those that do not have any speakers here anymore but used to - we can still retain them in case a new speaker of that language joins the wiki. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:12, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Very few articles are actually in foreign languages, which gives me the idea that we should translate even more to those languages - and perhaps even make articles that are only in those languages? --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:12, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Why? People should be allowed to write whatever they want as long as it fits the policy - we can verify whether the article is in violation of the policy with the help of a native speaker and also Google Translate (it isn't that inaccurate anymore). Also, come on IRC --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I have to agree with Quackerpingu.Radioactivechicken (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)Radioactivechicken
  • On one hand, I can 99% guarantee none of the foreign language articles will be touched again like 90% of the wiki. On the other, I don't think deleting them is the right option and that they could be moved to a wikispace article. --User:EDFan12345 21:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Dunno what to feel about deleting it when we can just move it to a separate space --get on the tightrope ARB logo.png anyAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 01:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
  • A related historical blog post from 2012: User blog:Swiss Ninja/Portuguese Pages. Also, an unrelated question for those on both sides- would you be willing to compromise and have them moved to some sort of separate space instead? If so, what sort of space would that be? CKSysop 13:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Since this proposal is probably going down the toilet, my next attempt will be to have them all moved into some sort of Project portal that groups all the translated articles, i.e. Club Penguin Fanon Wiki:Foreign Languages/French/Francterre or something similar. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 16:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
  • They are not "foreign languages". There is no foreign language on the wiki, and it is an incorrect term - we have no official language. As for that, I disagree - once again I reiterate users should be allowed to make articles in any language they want as long as we are able to verify the content and able to properly enforce the policy on that page. It shouldn't be hard with the cooperation of that user and also the use of Google Translate, which is getting increasingly more accurate (even with little languages like Serbian, which I checked out on Google Translate, so you can only imagine how accurate it is with say French). --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 16:37, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Retcon retconning High Penguin immortality (-6)[edit]

--QP.png QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS! (talk). Contributions A link Quackerpingu2.png 17:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

For (2)[edit]

  1. --QP.png QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS! (talk). Contributions A link Quackerpingu2.png 17:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 23:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Against (8)[edit]

  1. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 17:55, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. --Mario Rk 20:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. --User:EDFan12345 21:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  4. CKSysop 04:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  5. --get on the tightrope ARB logo.png anyAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 10:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  6. --CAN'DUH Bro Talk to me! OH YEEEEEEAH 00:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  7. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 01:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  8. --WP logo new.png Wikipenguino45 (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 14:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Neutral[edit]

  1. Ulsk avatar.png (TCY) 14:41, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • For the record, this would be a repeal, not a retcon. You can't retcon real life. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 20:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Honestly, High Penguins being immortal isn't OP because they still have a low and possibly even declining population despite supposedly being able to live forever and they still got ethnic cleansing committed on them during Khanzem so if you argue that having immortality makes them OP, then let me ask you; besides being able to live forever, what added benefit doesn't being immortal give them? --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 23:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • You didn't even include a reason quacker smh. But, no repeal for scrubby characters. CKSysop 04:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I still think that there are other, more creative ways to make your character immortal, but currently I'm indifferent. Ulsk avatar.png (TCY) 14:41, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • You can't make your character immortal at all because the last vote on this that occurred last year was a blanket ban on all immortality in any form I believe, but somewhat hypocritically none of Swiss's characters who live like 4000+ years weren't affected. Yes, however, immortality as a thing on Fanon has been banned since last year's vote so there is no way your character can be immortal. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 03:22, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
      • The archives don't say that all immortality is banned though...? I mean, the entire schtick of What Tambourine is that you can be creative with making your characters immortal. Ulsk avatar.png (TCY) 04:16, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
        • I'm pretty sure I tried making an immortal character once and the admins said I couldn't do it so either I've been duped this entire time and that immortality was completely legal or you haven't heard about the slippery slope that the vote used to make any and all forms of immortality completely illegal on Fanon. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 05:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree with you Star, I think that was the whole point of last year's vote to reduce average HP lifespan. Instead of instant op immortality, if people were dead set on making their characters immortal, and thus op, they could at least come up with a creative way to do so (preferably with drawbacks/weaknesses too to make it so it's not completely overpowered). CKSysop 13:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Nullify the Country Policy until September 1st (-12)[edit]

  • Allow every user to make up to 2 one new countries country without needing to make 5 HQAs and admin permission
  • Allow every user to adopt any LQA or AQA countries that they have significantly improved without needing admin permission
  • Every country that isn't at least an AQA by the end of 2018 will be deleted or annexed available for adoption by other users.

--QP.png QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS! (talk). Contributions A link Quackerpingu2.png 18:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

For (1)[edit]

  1. --QP.png QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS! (talk). Contributions A link Quackerpingu2.png 18:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Against (13)[edit]

  1. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 18:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. --Mario Rk 20:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. --User:EDFan12345 21:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  4. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 21:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  5. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 23:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  6. --get on the tightrope ARB logo.png anyAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 00:37, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  7. CKSysop 04:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  8. --WP logo new.png Wikipenguino45 (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 05:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  9. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  10. Ulsk avatar.png (TCY) 23:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  11. --CAN'DUH Bro Talk to me! OH YEEEEEEAH 00:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  12. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 01:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  13. Penguinpuffdude BOY-SCOUT IS THE FAN'S FAVOURITE WORD! It's almost the summer holidays! 03:20, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • I still think the first time this happened was a disaster. --Chill57181 Talk Contributions My Articles 18:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • What’s the reasoning behind suspending this policy until the proposed date? --SlenderXP Talk to me 18:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • See look, I kinda want a country/territory of my own but this invites nothing but disaster. --Mario Rk 20:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • This isn't happening without admin approval and general admin consensus is that the current policy is fine and doesn't need to be nullified. --User:EDFan12345 21:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Is this really necessary? --Mr Cow2 (talk) 21:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I'll rethink it if it's one country, because two countries is a little excessive in my opinion and it can be abused if people try to make two ultra powerful countries to try to control everything. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 23:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't vote "for" in any case, but the current terms are absolutely unacceptable. We'd have a bunch of new countries overnight that stay bad and never serve a purpose on the wiki. CKSysop 04:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • This would get very messy very quickly. Two countries? And similar to what CK said, they'd likely never serve a purpose. Would these countries actually be used? Given those terms, any random person could show up, register an account, create a country and leave forever with the country simply there just collecting dust. --WP logo new.png Wikipenguino45 (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 05:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • HECC no, this place is filled with politics already and we don't need to triple that Ulsk avatar.png (TCY) 23:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I do believe everyone summed up my concerns perfectly. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 01:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
And I believe that I don’t even need to cast my vote. --SlenderXP Talk to me 02:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I admit I want my own island to exist, but two countries until September? Even for a user that's been on the wiki for more than a year but hasn't got a country, that's over the top. Come on. Penguinpuffdude BOY-SCOUT IS THE FAN'S FAVOURITE WORD! It's almost the summer holidays! 03:20, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Archives[edit]

Old System[edit]

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