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I found the word sp***** in several pages. You may not know it but sp***** is considered offensive in most countries outside the US, especially the UK. I demand that it is removed.

In the countries outside the US, when Explorer (the character) is described as sp*****, what it'll mean for us is that he has celeberal pulsey (that's what sp***** means), he's stupid, he's an idiot etc. So it'll also clear up that confusion.

This will be voted on. 'Yes' is to be ban sp*****, 'no' isn't.

Also we'll do 'wan***', second most offensive British swear word.

OUTLAW SPASTIC

Court House.png This bill, To Ban Spastic and 'W', has failed the Wiki's Congress Committee and has been rejected as law.

OUTLAW W<CENSROED>

Court House.png This bill, To Ban Spastic and 'W', has passed the Wiki's Congress Committee and will be laid down as a law!

PERMIT THE D-WORD

Court House.png This bill, To Ban Spastic and 'W', has failed the Wiki's Congress Committee and has been rejected as law.


VOTE

Yes

sp*****.

W*****

  • Where I come from, the "W" is also a swear word. For he who does not know, this word means, well.... I can't say it. It's extremely "Inappropriate Term". -- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 22:37, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

  • No way will this word be used in any mainspace article. ----Icmer In Nyc|Talk to me, it won't hurt at all....|My contributions 22:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
    • Icmer, like all swears, a ban on this obscene term will take it off forever and universally, not just the mainspace. Besides, who was using this "W" phrase, and where? I'd have knocked it out ages ago, because it is extremely "Inappropriate Term". I fear that it may have been used to the extent of "Sockpuppet <censored>", meaning "the excess use of sockpuppets, each pretending to be an individual, combining their vote in order to tip the scales of something in favor of the puppetmaster". -- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 23:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


  • Yes, this word should be banned. Man, I never knew the British had a whole nother vocabulary....--Swiss Ninja Signature.png User Talk SN.png 01:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


No

sp*****


  • Well, i can see why you would want to ban the word (I had to look it up), but It's a fact of life. Many people are disabled, but i don't see it as a derogatory word, as long as it's used wisely. Look, even TS is voting against it. Now that's something.

--Swiss Ninja Signature.png User Talk SN.png 00:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


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DISCUSSION

Comments

USERS:

The word "spastic" has been called for total removal of the site on swearing grounds. (It's swearing in Europe and Commonwealth nations, but not America.) Please express your vote here. Proponents state that we must enforce our language barrier code (swear one place, swear everywhere). Opponents state that the slang phrase for "spastic", clean and commonplace in America, does not have another counterpart to equally describe itself, like the D-word (clean in Europe) does (darn, drat, dang). Also, the word "wanker" is on the same table.

Begin debate!




Language barrier rule invoked

Now technically lads if we have to vote on banning these, then we have to vote on banning the "d word". It's the same situation, reversed. The "s" and "w" words are offensive inthe UK and Ireland, but not in the USA, and the "d" word is offensive in the USA but not in the UK or Ireland. Don't for one second try to say the situations are different.

The way I see it, there are three options:

  • Ban them without a vote
  • Legalise them without a vote
  • Vote on all of 'em.

--THE SHEEP! |FIGHTTHEPOWER! Christmas sheep.png (Stuff I did and stuff) 21:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


There are alternatives for the d-word: "Darn. Dang. Drat. Mushroom sticks. Da-gum."
There is no alternative in American English for the word that starts with "S". The word, where I hail from, means "acting crazy, impulsive, random, and in a choatic and comedic manner", not "cerebral palsy". People are still refusing to tell me the word that starts with "W". Is it "Wuss", a weak or pathetic, cowardly person? Or is it "weenie", slang for "hot dog" and used in some non-CPFW cases for other means?
-- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 22:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


W?

If someone would just say what "W" was, I could cast my vote.
-- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 22:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Alternative: phycho, weirdo, pychopath, anything you said what it means.
And the w word is {link removed} (I regret linking this - don't worry it's a Wikipedia article. I'd recommend that once you look that you delete this off your history).--Agent Johnson |  Political correctness can go right... 22:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the "W" is a swear where I come from as well! -- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 22:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Just get a thesaurus

Crazy, freaky, wacky...consult a thesaurus. The "w" word is "Wanker", meaning someone who masturbates and can't get a girlfriend. What I'm saying is that "<censored>" isn't a swear here, neither is "[p-word]". The "s" word, when used as an insult, would be equivilent to "retard". -- Triskelle3 Tá grá ag Íosa duit! My contributions. 22:37, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that in Georgia the w word was a swear. However in most US states not many people know the term or find it offensive.--Agent Johnson |  Political correctness can go right... 22:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not so sure if it's my state or my religion. My family probably knows that the word is, but all in all, I've never seen it used. I don't think most people even know that that word means. Those that do are either okay or appalled. I'm the latter, and yes, it is, unfortunately, in pertinance to masturbation. -- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 23:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

What about SPAZ?

Ahem. Spaz? Isn't that a clean alternative? ----Icmer In Nyc|Talk to me, it won't hurt at all....|My contributions 23:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

The language barrier law?

Am not gonna rabbit on about what would be classed as swears in other places. If it's a swear, or a minced oath, in other places, then it's a bleedin' swear on here. -- Triskelle3 Tá grá ag Íosa duit! My contributions. 23:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

In almost any situation but this, I would side with you in full. However, because the word shortened to "spaz" is so integral to American slang, it would be excessively difficult to find a suitable replacement. "Spaz" will fit the bill a lot, but not always. Even so, the proper word is that which can not be named, and alternating between the two allows for easier sentance fluency. -- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–――――― 23:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I have never seen the word "wanker" on the wiki besides in this topic, can someone post a link to articles and/or topics with that word in them? Zone 00:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Try telling a Dub that the "d-word" isn't integral; you're liable to get a few odd looks. I'm completely fine with it being banned, and I could care less, I'm just trying to go by the language-laws. "Yaknowwhorrameyan?" -- Triskelle3 Tá grá ag Íosa duit! My contributions. 00:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
D-word could be banned even though it isn't the worst. I know that pongebob used the word Spaz a couple times. <censored> hasn't. Mectrixctic DADT is HISTORY! HOORAY! Merry Christmas, Happy Hannuka, Crazy Kwanza, Wild Yuletide and Super Solstice! 02:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


Have you tried "hyper"

A suitable replacement? Try "hyper". =P Yours Truly, Explorer 767 (I AM SEAHORSEBOT SURROGATE) ve 00:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Darn

Yes it is. Starts with "da" ends with constanant, and if you don't like darn, use dang, drat, darnit, crap, crud, snap, jeez, nuts, gah, ugh, grr, fudge, shoot, tartar sauce, or wahouropenyoeit. And if you want a character to say <censored> you!, use curse you, you suck, you stink, you bite, you idiot, you twit, you moron, you coward, you jerk, you monster, darn you, that's wrong, you're wrong, and I don't like you. You can express your anger at someone without telling them to go to hell. Mectrixctic DADT is HISTORY! HOORAY! Merry Christmas, Happy Hannuka, Crazy Kwanza, Wild Yuletide and Super Solstice! 21:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


Wait... spaz?

I thought Spaz was to freak out or lose control over something. In fact, it is a term me and my friends use everyday. I also agree with Triskelle that [the d-word] is not really a swear word, I use that word a lot though. I really don't like darn, dang or dad-gum euphemisms for the "real" word, it sounds fake and surreal. Though I utilize swearing at school, along with my friends, if any words utilized here really offensive, they should be removed.-- Sanchonachos OBAMA 2012 LIBERALS! LIBERALS! 21:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It's like calling someone a "retard" in the USA or Canada. And <censored> has no suitable replacement impling that "hyper" or "crazy" aren't suitable for the "s" word. -- Triskelle3 Tá grá ag Íosa duit! My contributions. 00:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


Rocket Slug says

Spaz? I've been using that word for years and I never got in trouble. You may consider it offensive, but it's not even one of the million swears. (Not even that many, probably) I mean, I know it's sort of an offense (Calling a kid with autism freaking out a "spaz"), but if it's used properly, not as an offense (For example, fictionally, Sye thinks Rocket Slug is very spastic, but does that make her autistic or any other thing? NO! It just means she acts strange sometimes. Like me. I have synesthesia and may look like an autistic kid by my actions, but I'm actually fine. Just act a little weird, is all I do sometimes.) it may not seem as offensive. Some might compare it to the word "retard" or "retarded" but it's nothing like that. When the word was created, it most likely wasn't meant to be offensive, just a fun word to use with friends jokingly.


Someone: "You're acting like a spaz."


Me: "Thank you!"

Someone: "Rocket Slug is spastic."

Me: "Thank you!"


You see, get my point? As long as it's taken lightly, it's no offense!

As for the other words, they seem so bad to me, I'm not even going to bother typing.

The D-word, I use stuff like "Crap." or "Aw!" I never actually swear.


The W-word: GOODBYE. WE don't need it. It's like how some kids who think they're "gangsta" go and spray-paint a cuss word on a brick wall. They get caught, and get in trouble. This is how cursing on the wiki should be. We say the word once, and a BOSS-or, whatever we are, on the job, catches us red-handed and blocks us, for however long they want depending on the word.


-Rocket Slug Poyo poyo! TOAST! (insert catchphrase here) Too epic for you to click.



Rant

Heh. Gangsta.

Anyway, I concur with Rocket Slug. To further defend the cleanliness of "spastic" and "spaz" in America, allow me to direct you to the daughter of my pastor, whose name will not be revealed for privacy concerns.

Her family, our family, and much of the younger congregation has vested her with the nickname "Spaz". We call her "Spaz" frequently and comically remark on her occasional screwup, language error, misinterpretation, or bizzare action. She can be spastic at times, but where I hail from, to be "spastic" is not the same as being "retarded" and certainly does not connect with cerebral palsy. That would be a spasm. They derive from the same root.

While I understand that Europe does not condemn the d-word, allow me to explain, yet again, why it has replacements.

  • The d-word is used as an interjective. It is stated to express anger, and like any swear, to invoke a reaction or make an overly strong point.
    • As an interjection of indecency, society has crafted hunndreds, if not thousands or tens of thousands, of euphemisms to replace it. This was also done for the "F-word", which is universally cursing globally.
  • "Spastic", meanwhile, is used as an ajective. It describes, and has a flow in the Enligh language. It does not jerk in like the d-word, which can be its own sentance (e.g. "<CENSORED>!" and "<CENSORED> IT!"). Unless provoked, few will say the d-word in normal speech. It does not have a purpose other than to invoke a response.


Now, for a moment, let's discuss swearing overall.

Like any swear, the D-word used to vent off steam. It has no purpose otherwise. It is not actually necessary to convey the point.

The number one excuse I hear for swearing is that "makes them feel better after saying it". In fact, when Dick Cheney used the F-word, directed at someone, on national television (diligently censored), he said that very thing. It made him "feel better"; he was glad that he said it. Joe Biden dropped the F-bomb as well, and with similar results. However, the audiences that heard their leaders curse so openly were disgusted, and no one, especially the targets of these words, felt better. All Dick Cheney and Joe Biden had done was make a fool of themselves and once again explained how our moral standards are slowly falling to the dogs.

The other excuse for swearing is that "it is but words, and they can not hurt". Unfortunately, the Supreme Court, my grandfather, my family, most Islamists, and common sense seem to disagree. Words alone can and do hurt, and mere words alone can be criminal and brutal to anyone. Have you ever been bullied? Not every bully will beat you up. Some just stand and mock. If they didn't hit you, but just continuously beat you down with words, insults, rumors, obscenities, indecency, and other disrespect, would you not be hurt? In the eighth grade, it was "just words" that dropped me into the homeschool circuit.

Criminal: "...-but Officer, I didn't do anything at all... I just called him up and SAID I was going to burn his home to the ground and dance upon is ashes. I don't care if he got so scared about my repitition of mere words that he had to pack up and move out of town."
Police: "All those times you said it... did you mean it?"
Criminal: "It's just words. Does it matter if I didn't do it? Just because I said I was going to destroy all of his property with glee and rejoice as it went up in a mighty conflagration, doesnt't mean I would."
Police: "Yeah. If that's true though, why say it?"
Criminal: "I can say whatever I want. It's my right."
Police: "Uhh.......................... yeah."
ACLU: "I'm his lawyer, it's his right to be an idiot, and I'm going to sue your-"


Well, that's about enough there, I think the point is made. Words alone can hurt.


...-and back to the argument

When a characterris described as spastic, the author is using this adjective as a means of providing a description for the character. It is an adjective and is used to define and clarify the traits of the character. The author is clarifying his character, not stuffing in an interjective just to shock, dramatize, or add "edge" to the tale or sentance.
Using curses are an attempt to me "more realistic" and, to me, just a lame way to make a mundane tale more "edgy", something that should be accomplished by engaging literature and a good plot.

Spastic and the D-word are different to me because oe is an adjective and, in America, is a heavilly used and pretty much essential term to describe what it so means: acting "crazy, impulsive, random, and in a choatic and comedic manner".
I mean, when one is angered and would swear, does this happen?

  • "Frankly my dear, I don't give a spaz."
  • "Let go of me, you spastic, dirty ape!"
  • "SPASTIC IT!"
  • "SPAZ!"
  • "Then spastic you. Spastic you all to a place which shall not be named but has temperatures hot enough to boil sulfer!"
  • "Spaz you all, every last one of you!"
  • "If I could just reach the spastic remote, I could change the channel and silence Justin spastic Bieber once and for all."
  • "SPAZIT!"
  • "Hot spaz!"
  • "Spastic you..."
  • "Why build the garbage dump at all? I say construct the spastic thing over Presidente's palace; it's better than what we have now. Enough with trashy politicians!"


Spastic is an adjective, the D-word is an interjective.
Spastic has purpose of description and detailing, the d-word is but an expression amidst anger.
We have a purpose for spastic here, for the d-word, we have none.
Spastic has a small handful of alternatives. Each one proposed, in medical and adjective contexts, have notably different meanings. The d-word, meanwhile, has tens of thousands of alternatives and euphamisms, words explicitly designed to prevent swearing.


Etymology

Interestingly, the etymology of "spastic" as slang did come from its medical meaning (cerebral palsy). One who has "spasms" undergoes crazy, random, strange, fast, and involuntary movements which they have trouble controlling, or simply can not control at all. Spasms have no purpose or reaosn, they're just crazy and they're just there. One who has spasms is described as "spastic" (adjective), and he who has spasms is a "spaz" (noun).

Time expanded this from the medical field and soon applied to the Masses, in that any involuntry act of craziness or strange movement was a spasm, and therefore, the performer of the act was "spastic", even though his brain is in perfect health.

Then, time slowly melted away the involuntary aspect, and now, we have the adjective as it is known today.

So we come to it now: acts that are crazy, impulsive, random, and in a choatic and comedic manner, without reason or purpose, either involuntary or performed for attention or just in the act of being silly.

This, my European friends, is what we Americans see as "spastic", and how we came to see it.

Conclusion

The Americans of this site do not need nor use the "d-word", but they do need "spastic". It is so integral to modern slang that people young and old use it, and its meaning has so engrained itself into popular cultue that everyone uses that as a perfectly fine adjective. It is an adjective and describes. It is not an interjective and can not as easily be removed from any sentance that uses it.

The d-word is cursing in America, and to top it off, in Europe it's used as an interjective, just as any swear in the States would be. There is no difference in how the d-word is used in Europe and America. One continent sees it as swearing, the other as just another means of expressing anger, like a swear, but clean.

Spastic has a purpose to describe, the d-word does not, other than to exact one's anger.


Thank you.


-- TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!!  :)  :) Oh biscuits. HI AL GORE! ――–―――――

P.S.: This spastic rant took me a whole spastic hour to write! Spaz this argument, I'm going back to my spastic bed and will be asleep for the whole spastic day.




VERDICT

The word "Spastic" is to reamin legal. The word which is now illegal and starts with "W" is to be outlawed and treated as cursing henceforth,