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Fellow users and I have come to the agreement that the Top Militaries of Antarctica table needs redoing and must be calculated in a fair, unbiased way, along with a new layout. With the tables that I have created, the changes to the layout include splitting the 'Country' column that merged the Rank and Country into their own respective columns; the Picture of Army/Soldier column has been taken out and the Notes column has been taken out but the Notes are accessible if the user hovers their mouse over the respective country flag. What the current table fails to outline (it may have considered these factors, I'm not too sure, but they haven't been outlined) is numerous key factors such as the Number of Soldiers in the armies and Technological Advancement Status (T.A.S.) (meaning how advanced their army is in artillery and technology) (more factors are being considered and can be added to the table in the future). All of this will therefore result into a more cleaner, calculated table without any 'disputed ties' that is more appealing to view as well.

For now this is just an idea that I'm putting here so that the users can come and check out; I'd probably have to ask permission to automatically add it on the main page myself, so for now it's here to view. Leave what you think under the Comments heading.

What would also be helpful is if you do see your country in the list, please edit and add figures to the respective columns. Not all country articles outline how many soldiers they have, for example. (Also, it would make my life much easier).

-- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Top Militaries of Antarctica[edit]

Here are the Top Militaries of Antarctica for all government sponsored sovereign nations.

Tables[edit]

Revamp w/ unchanged positions[edit]

List by the United Antarctic Organization
Antarctic Military Balance 2015 (for 2014)
Rank Country # of
Soldiers
(approx.)
 		T.A.S.
— World total
1 The USA has the largest and most powerful army in the Antarctic. It posseses several Deletion bombs. United States of Antarctica —— ——
2 Castilla has a very large military and a large empire. It has good technology and rivals and exchanges with Snowzerland for this position. Castilla —— ——
3 Shops Island has a large and ever-expanding military capable of fighting off and conquering enemy nations. It has about equal the military might of both Snowzerland and Zhou. Shops has become a major player on the Antarctic stage as many smaller countries live in fear of Shopper aggression against its opponents. Shops Island
Snowzerland has a large military but with an empire not as large as Castilla's. The Snoss are innovators in Military science and was the first nation to possess Nuclear Weapons. Snowzerland 		—— ——
4 The Zhouese military prowess rose not long after Snowzerland's. They have a large population and also create their own weapons and aircraft. Zhou —— ——
5 Rusca had been building its army since the 1500's and peaked in the 1900's. It owns several Deletion bombs. Rusca —— ——
6 Puffle'and's military rose incredibly during the Khanzem War and benefited from their rule of Colonial Antarctica. Puffle'and —— ——
7 Frankterre has built its military to compete against Puffle'and. Frankterre has a good military that is well trained. They import weaponry from Castilla and the USA. Frankterre —— ——
8 Freezeland's army is a decent size for its territory, but is less technologically advanced than the USA. Its army comprises mainly of High Penguins and a growing number of Viking Penguins. Freezeland
Previously a pacifist nation, Margate has since developed a new defense and relations strategy so as to play a greater role on the Antarctic stage, including a rearmament program and joining the Circular Powers. A pioneer in urban and guerrilla combat, Margate's might is one not to be underestimated despite her defense policies. Margate 		—— ——
9 UnitedTerra has a strong army that makes its own weaponry but prefer to remain inactive in international conflict. UnitedTerra's military strength comes from the UnitedTerra Forces (UF) and its numerous subdivisions (e.g. Penguin Police Troop) as well as through the republican armies of TerraMount and TF Enforcer Corps. UnitedTerra
With powerful PULSE Rifles and multiple military aircraft, such as the gigantic MJ-680 Air Fortress, Munijoch is very well capable of defending and attacking enemy troops. Military advancements are being made everyday, as well as pioneering battlefield medical technology for the troops to last longer. Munijoch
For a long time the Snowinian military was regarded as a joke. But, throughout 2014 and to the present day, the Snowinians have expanded their defenses and are now proving their worth in many wars and conflicts. The Snowinian military is currently the most active in Antarctica. Snowiny 		5,000,000 (Mun.)
800,000 (Swy.)		 ——
10 Amataria's army solely consists of Robots equipped with built in weaponry. Another version of the Robots are the AMIDs, which are an improved version, seen in the picture. Amataria —— ——
11 Batavia's military is decent for the land it posseses but it is small compared to its neighbors. Batavia imports all of its military vehicles and weapons. Batavia —— ——
12 Culldrome has a very well trained and equipped military, primarily used for defense. Most of it's weapons and vehicles are imported, but has started to produce it's own. It is backed by Porcyals and Squarium (courtesy of Shops), powerful weapons of mass destruction. Culldrome Isles —— ——
13 Ed Island, although small in size, has a fairly powerful military. Their advanced technology and deadly weaponry makes them a force to be reckoned with. They were the first to develop plasma-based Weapons of Mass Destruction. Ed Island 4,000,000
(Conscription) 		——
14 Lisboagal's army is decent but has been weakened by the Castillans in years past. They depend on the USA for weapons. However, in recent years, the army is showing signs in growth. Lisboagal —— ——
15 Polaris has a large army with advanced technology. However, it is rarely used, and when it is, their military tactics are often seen as ineffective. Polaris —— ——
16 Liguria's army was rather small prior to Flywish's takeover, but it is now developing its own military vehicles. Liguria —— ——
17 Seal Islands have a fairly weak military for their expanding size, and they are trying to upgrade it as much as possible. Seal Islands —— ——
18 Malesia has a good military that is capable of defending itself and recieves weapons from the USA and Puffle'and. As of now, they have decided to use the army to defend themselves. Malesia —— ——
19 East Pengolia's army is powerful and was made to rival Penghis Khan's 333 mercinaries, considered to be a subsidiary of the USA's army. Their army suffered greatly during The Great Yowien War. East Pengolia —— ——
20 North Joseon has a large and powerful army but with outdated weaponry from the 1980's. North Joseon —— ——
21 Their military is not as strong as their neighbor's, and they are assisted by the USA at the border with North Joseon. However, it has been said that its army is growing. South Joseon —— ——
22 Chinstrap's military was considered "weak", from countries like Shops and Snowiny, but they are growing, and are powerful with the help of hi-tech weaponry. Chinstrap 50,000 ——
23 Map's army isn't that good, but they can defend themselves. However, they still need military aid from Castilla. Maps Union —— ——
24 Magyaria's military was squashed by the Ruscans half a century ago and it is still small. Unlike its neighbors, Magyaria only wishes to use its military for defence. Magyaria —— ——
25 Their army is not that good, as they lack the finances to fund a good and strong army. Emperorlands —— ——
26 The military is rather weak and its navy is highly outdated. Dorkugal —— ——

Revamp w/ changed positions[edit]

Note: Not final placements; Some changes are random experimental swaps based on what I think.

Technology Advancement Categories

  0—24.5: C1 (Very Poor)
  24.6—37.8: C2 (Basic)
  37.9—51.5: C3 (Decent + Respectable)
  51.6—63.4: C4 (Near-Modern)
  63.5—71.0: C5 (Modern)
  71.1—78.8: C6 (Advanced)
  78.9—89.6: C7 (Very Advanced)
  89.7—99: C8 (Extremely Advanced)
List by the United Antarctic Organization
Antarctic Military Balance 2015 (for 2014)
Rank Country # of
Soldiers
(approx.)
 		T.A.R.
(Technological
Advancement
Rating)
— World total 71,721,510
1 The USA has the largest and most powerful army in the Antarctic. It posseses several Deletion bombs. United States of Antarctica 11,000,000 81.5
2 UnitedTerra has a strong army that makes its own weaponry but prefer to remain inactive in international conflict. UnitedTerra's military strength comes from the UnitedTerra Forces (UF) and its numerous subdivisions (e.g. Penguin Police Troop) as well as through the republican armies of TerraMount and TF Enforcer Corps. UnitedTerra 9,200,000 82.8
3 Shops Island has a large and ever-expanding military capable of fighting off and conquering enemy nations. It has about equal the military might of both Snowzerland and Zhou. Shops has become a major player on the Antarctic stage as many smaller countries live in fear of Shopper aggression against its opponents. Shops Island 5,900,000 84.5
4 The Zhouese military prowess rose not long after Snowzerland's. They have a large population and also create their own weapons and aircraft. Zhou 6,700,000 74.3
5 Snowzerland has a large military but with an empire not as large as Castilla's. The Snoss are innovators in Military science and was the first nation to possess Nuclear Weapons. Snowzerland 4,400,000 72.3
6 Castilla has a very large military and a large empire. It has good technology and rivals and exchanges with Snowzerland for this position. Castilla 5,250,000 70.9
7 Terra Federation have the second strongest military in the UnitedTerra territories, aiding many Antarctican countries in wars during their time of need and independently developing themselves. Terra Federation 6,600,000 70.2
8 Ed Island, although small in size, has a fairly powerful military. Their advanced technology and deadly weaponry makes them a force to be reckoned with. They were the first to develop plasma-based Weapons of Mass Destruction. Ed Island 6,000,000
(Conscription)		 89.7
9 With powerful PULSE Rifles and multiple military aircraft, such as the gigantic MJ-680 Air Fortress, Munijoch is very well capable of defending and attacking enemy troops. Military advancements are being made everyday, as well as pioneering battlefield medical technology for the troops to last longer. Munijoch 5,000,000 86.4
10 Culldrome has a very well trained and equipped military, primarily used for defense. Most of it's weapons and vehicles are imported, but has started to produce it's own. It is backed by Porcyals and Squarium (courtesy of Shops), powerful weapons of mass destruction. Culldrome Isles 1,700,000 73.1
11 Previously a pacifist nation, Margate has since developed a new defense and relations strategy so as to play a greater role on the Antarctic stage, including a rearmament program and joining the Circular Powers. A pioneer in urban and guerrilla combat, Margate's might is one not to be underestimated despite her defense policies. Margate 2,400,000 72.0
12 Rusca had been building its army since the 1500's and peaked in the 1900's. It owns several Deletion bombs. Rusca 2,600,000 70.2
13 For a long time the Snowinian military was regarded as a joke. But, throughout 2014 and to the present day, the Snowinians have expanded their defenses and are now proving their worth in many wars and conflicts. The Snowinian military is currently the most active in Antarctica. United Provinces 800,000 69.8
14 Frankterre has built its military to compete against Puffle'and. Frankterre has a good military that is well trained. They import weaponry from Castilla and the USA. Frankterre 876,000 57.6
15 Polaris has a large army with advanced technology. However, it is rarely used, and when it is, their military tactics are often seen as ineffective. Polaris 163,000 64.4
16 Puffle'and's military rose incredibly during the Khanzem War and benefited from their rule of Colonial Antarctica. Puffle'and 576,000 50.3
17 Freezeland's army is a decent size for its territory, but is less technologically advanced than the USA. Its army comprises mainly of High Penguins and a growing number of Viking Penguins. Freezeland 1,200,000 41.2
18 Amataria's army solely consists of Robots equipped with built in weaponry. Another version of the Robots are the AMIDs, which are an improved version, seen in the picture. Amataria 387,000 63.9
19 Liguria's army was rather small prior to Flywish's takeover, but it is now developing its own military vehicles. Liguria 1,700,000 62.0
20 Batavia's military is decent for the land it posseses but it is small compared to its neighbors. Batavia imports all of its military vehicles and weapons. Batavia 104,100 25.2
21 Lisboagal's army is decent but has been weakened by the Castillans in years past. They depend on the USA for weapons. However, in recent years, the army is showing signs in growth. Lisboagal 70,000 4.7
22 Seal Islands have a fairly weak military for their expanding size, and they are trying to upgrade it as much as possible. Seal Islands 22,500 17.3
23 Chinstrap's military was considered "weak", from countries like Shops and Snowiny, but they are growing, and are powerful with the help of hi-tech weaponry. Chinstrap 50,000 36.9
24 Malesia has a good military that is capable of defending itself and relieves weapons from the USA and Puffle'and. As of now, they have decided to use the army to defend themselves. Malesia 65,000 10.0
25 East Pengolia's army is powerful and was made to rival Penghis Khan's 333 mercinaries, considered to be a subsidiary of the USA's army. Their army suffered greatly during The Great Yowien War. East Pengolia 81,310 4.8
26 North Joseon has a large and powerful army but with outdated weaponry from the 1980's. North Joseon 58,000 5.6
27 Their military is not as strong as their neighbor's, and they are assisted by the USA at the border with North Joseon. However, it has been said that its army is growing. South Joseon 67,000 6.1
28 Their army is not that good, as they lack the finances to fund a good and strong army. Emperorlands 29,000 9.4
29 Magyaria's military was squashed by the Ruscans half a century ago and it is still small. Unlike its neighbors, Magyaria only wishes to use its military for defence. Magyaria 19,000 2.1
30 Map's army isn't that good, but they can defend themselves. However, they still need military aid from Castilla. Maps Union 600 1
31 The military is rather weak and its navy is highly outdated. Dorkugal 3,000 0.3

The factors that contribute to the Technology Advancement Rating:

  • Degree of modern weaponry
  • Quantity of artillery
  • Effectiveness / Breakthroughs of lab research
  • Efficiency of projects
  • Level of sustainability
  • Influences / Impact of tech on Antarctica

Comments[edit]

I support --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Definitely a good idea, in my opinion. You ask about filling in info for our own countries. What scale does the T.A.S. go by? --User:EDFan12345 13:07, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

That's something that needs to be worked out; for now I'm considering a decimal rating scale from 1-100, so you add in something like "72.7" or whatever. If I come up with a better system, or if anyone's got a better idea we could switch to that, but for now a 1-100 scale. I'd say the # of Soldiers column is more important for now. -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 13:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Maybe use a a category system for the T.A.S based on certain critera? (eg. category 1: very basic weapons and military [...] category 6: spacecraft and orbital bombardment) --AusFlag.png Chub777(Talk Page) Chub777.png 13:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
So more like ranking rather than rating? It's possible to tie that in with ratings, e.g. "0—24.5 = Category 1: Very Basic Weapons + Technology"? -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 13:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, you could do that. --AusFlag.png Chub777(Talk Page) Chub777.png 13:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


You need to fix how they are ranked in the way the table was constructed. It looks like:

1
10
11
12

ect,

when you press the arrow. How does wikipedia do it?

Mectrixctic Talk to me! See the articles I worked on.. see my 5,674 edits! 16:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

That's going from least to greatest order. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 17:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that, it's the same on Wikipedia tables. Not too sure if it can be 'fixed'. -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 17:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
It counts 1, 10, 11, etc. since they all start with 1. It's a fault of MediaWiki, not the chart. --User:EDFan12345 17:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Looks ok, but I don't think we should leave it collapsed when it's reorganized (if you planned on doing that). Also, size doesn't always equal power- I have a few possible disputes for positions.

  • UnitedTerra. They have a billion citizens, like Zhou and the USA, but I'm not sure, how advanced is their technology? That would be the true deciding factor.
  • Ed island/Puffle'and. I know Ed's strong, but could it really defeat puffle'and? Not sure
  • Freezeland. They do have the numbers to defeat Snowiny (50 million population, but military service is voluntary), but they don't have the technology, mostly using sword and outdated tactics, while their most advanced weapons are probably snowball guns. Not sure if they should be ahead of snowiny, since the military probably isn't very big (as joining the military isn't compulsory). So overall, I think it depends on the size of Freezeland's military.
  • Depending on Amataria's population, and number of soldier bots, they might even surpass Freezeland.
  • Polaris- According to The article, Polaris has no official army, they're not allowed to raise one (they are protected by both Snowzerland and Castilla). However, the Polaris United Forces (unofficial army) has about 100,000 members. So, I'd suggest lowering Polaris.
  • Liguria. When I was first reading the article about Liguria being completely mob-controlled, I realized my thoughts of this being a better military were misplaced as they'd be very unorganized and stuff. HOWEVER, the article later states that Liguria's military is good... 2 million penguins in the military, and they have new, high tech stuff. So, if those are true I would suggest placing Liguria at least above Lisboagal (idk their population), possibly higher.
  • Magyaria. I don't see anything about Magyaria's military on the article, nor their population. So how is it known that they even have a military better than Emperorlands and Dorkugal? If they do, how is it not better than that of the Chinstrap Armed Forces? Idk
  • Dorkugal. Dorkugal has no standing army (two ships), according to the article. However, they somehow amassed their own large empire, which should count for something (or the protectorates should be on the table above them). Also, although they have no standing army, their technological prowess is unmatched- they could probably defeat people without having an army. Bringing down defense systems, turning weapons on their owners (any war bots- amataria, snowzerland, etc), etc. So I'm not sure what to do with Dorkugal...
  • Maybe Terra Federation should be here as well? I'm not sure how strong their military is.

Just my thoughts. Though, I do like the notes section on the current table to say how each military is in their position. Should this table have all national armies on it eventually? CKSig.pngWannaTalk? 17:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

"size doesn't always equal power" we only finished 5 countries and you already say that... --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 17:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I've been reading for about a half hour, I didn't see any of the changes Ninj made until I saved the edit. Also after I saw that I decided I'm not going on IRC since you'd probably roast me (you're already criticizing my comment on-wiki, so I don't need an IRC argument). Anyways, to Ninj, I don't think Snowiny is that powerful. Not powerful enough to beat Margate, and certainly not Munijoch or Puffle'and. CKSig.pngWannaTalk? 17:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh. My. God. Does me voting against you on the RfA votes automatically mean "oh no he is gonna rant at me on IRC better run away into my bunker" --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 18:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I see your 3 MB comment and raise my own, speaking on Ninj's behalf
  • UT is a pretty tough nation, even if they aren't in every war page ever
  • It isn't exactly hard to bomb a bunch of furballs
  • Penguin wave(?) tactics aren't very effective
  • Not sure about Amataria, would have to ask Amigo
  • Agree about Polaris
  • I'd have to read Liguria's page
  • We're assuming they do have a standing military
  • Two ships is still a military
  • Terra Federation is being added
:^) --User:EDFan12345 17:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I dont have specific numbers for Snowzerland's and Castilla's armies, but Castilla has more soldiers than Snowzerland while Snowzerland has slightly more advanced technology and weaponry.

--Gottfried Pondering.pngUser:Swiss Ninja Clovis Hochstadt Performing.png (My Talk Page) 18:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Margate would be one position higher than the original unchanged version after the annexation of Mullinst. Many of the Kaljernerians (a species of penguins on Mullinst) will be joining the MAF, raising the amount of Margatian troops on Antarctica to around 3-6 million, way above the original 1.1 million (the Rearmament Program hasn't ended yet when I added 900,000 soldiers to the Western Union article). Actually, there's millions more soldiers on Mullinst to protect it but since that'll cause an unbalance, I am not gonna count that. As for TAR, Margate will probably be around 81/82 with the recently purchased Shopper arms (as well as some advanced weaponry captured from space pirates at Mullinst's moons). With all those soldiers and heavy weaponry, Margate will be making a switch to new military tactics such as Blitzkrieg too. --Russia flag.PNGBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 10:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, we're not adding that. --User:EDFan12345 11:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


The only thing that needs to be decided now is how the Techological Advancement Rating is going to work; firstly how it's represented as a figure and how it's calculated in the first place. I think the decimal rating scale from 1-100 is the best option, along with allocating rankings to these different chunks of ratings that would be equivalent to a scale of "Poor - Decent - Average - Excellent - Strong". In terms of calculation, this method shouldn't be that complicated and must be a concrete system that is implemented for militaries across Antarctica. I'm guessing this will group numerous factors + key details of every military (e.g. lab research, how modern the weaponry is, quantity of weaponry + other key resources). Once we've come up with an exact criteria I guess an average will be calculated from that and then be converted to a T.A.R. (somehow). Sound good? -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 17:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


In addition we could put a 3rd or 4th columns detailing # of military personnel (soldiers + non combatant members) and amount of $ spend on the military Mectrixctic Talk to me! See the articles I worked on.. see my 5,674 edits! 17:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes I forgot to mention more columns. -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 17:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

For articles with actual numbers for military personnel, I think we should be following those numbers... CKSig.pngWannaTalk? 00:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I checked every article to see if they had a figure and used it if they did (e.g. Culldrome Isles). -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 16:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Could we moved Chinstrap so it's at least under Malesia, because since it's in the the Western Union, it has better technology and military help from Snowiny?

--Brant (talk) 01:21, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

A justifiable reason for a shift up; moved just above Malesia. -- Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG ¤ (User page!) (Talk page.) 03:22, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.

--Brant (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

For the tech ratings, IMO, Polaris should be lower (as it doesn't really have highly advanced technology) and Snowzerland & Castillia should be bumped up (possibly higher than Rusca and Zhou?). --AusFlag.png Chub777(Talk Page) Chub777.png 06:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Also bumping Culldrome up *cough* *cough* --AusFlag.png Chub777(Talk Page) Chub777.png 06:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

With Shopper and Munian military technology and its own advanced weaponry, I think Margate should be higher in the TAR score. --Russia flag.PNGBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 09:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't forget who gave you that technology and who can take it back. Especially when that country is above you. -Wonderweez (Talk · Contribs) 09:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Even without the SIA and PULSE selling us weapons, we still have an arsenal of tanks with plasma guns, plasma artillery, blaster rifles, etc. --Russia flag.PNGBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 09:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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