User blog:Swiss Ninja/Demote Wonderweez

Vote closed. A compromise has been met, and we have both agreed to this.

Wonder will keep his admin post, but Bro will be promoted to balance his power. Wonder and I have made amends because we felt this fight was not worth it, and I agree. Less stress to worry about!

And for anyone upset Bro is getting re promoted, go take your Shops Wiki hate back there.

--User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 04:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Do not delete the comments.

Comments

• Sorry Wonder, but I must agree with Swiss' statements above. Also, you're far too by-the-book and are unable of making decisions based on proper judgement that benefit the wiki. You have a thorn up your butt and think you're the king of the wiki, even though you do almost nothing productive around here. Get off your high horse and stop acting like you're the boss. Remember, you were always just a replacement. -- Bro ^{Talk to me!} 04:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• A replacement for you, and don't forget that you were demoted for bullying users. WannaTalk? 04:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Agreed. Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 10:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• Just to clarify on Wonder's behalf, Bro wasn't banned from IRC for no reason. Bro had cursed twice, been kicked, after which he cursed again and was banned for all of two minutes before Swiss said "Unban him now, he was making a political point". No need to curse to make a "political point". In the Fanon IRC channel topic it says "No swearing or obscene talk (This applies to EVERYONE - No Exceptions!!)". I assume TS had that put in place, but if Bro's allowed to curse than that should be removed from the topic and Swiss should have to deal with TS, rather than Wonder losing his position for following proper procedures. As for the "relationship" with rogue... you've got to be kidding me. Sorry if she's upset, but it's an online relationship and couldn't have been any more serious than a normal middle school relationship ("I love you", break up two days later). Overall, at least wonder doesn't abuse the system and mold it to his needs like other people do. WannaTalk? 04:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, but Wonder's ban was too excessive. WAY too excessive. This was put in place so that he can show off his power, again another intimidation tactic to make Bro submissive to his will. --User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 04:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Abuse the system? We don't abuse the system. We have the common sense to make unwritten decisions. We know that just because it says so in the rules, does not mean it is right in every given circumstance. I was making a statement, and the whole swearing thing is irrelevant. It started when he called me out and kicked me for saying "ass", implying it's even a swear. I then made a smart remark, "oh s**t sorry" and was kicked again. -- Bro ^{Talk to me!} 04:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
• http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Policy/IRC <--- just gonna put that here. This lists policies on IRC, and according to there, after a user has violated the policy multiple times, they will be banned. In my own defense, I was following the rules set by TS (because I don't want to get yelled at). This is also an example of going on my own judgement. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 05:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Still unreasonable, given the circumstances. -- Bro ^{Talk to me!} 05:29, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
• Nevermind the swearing thing, that's irrelevant to why Wonderweez is proposed to be demoted. We're here because Wonder did other despicable things, as I mentioned above, not the silly ban on the IRC. --User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 05:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
• ALSO, to knock out the ARB thing, I pasted below an unmodified, other than hiding of personal names (authentication will be provided if asked) breakup message sent to Rouge. KEEP IN MIND: I asked friends about this, they thought it was good. I informed ARB about my situation beforehand about this. The point of a break-up message is to be justified, to have reasons provided, and to tell the ex-partner that you are, indeed, ending it. I knew what I was doing, seeing as I have been in multiple relationships.

"Well Rouge, we had a nice run, but the jig is up. My parents do not approve of me dating any pacific islanders in general after... "it" happened. They saw my messages, read everything, and my mom nearly had a heart attack. Besides all this, it would never work in the long run. We are too far apart to ever have genuine feelings. My constant mistrust over that region and the lies that have been shed is something I cannot forgive or forget as easy as it could seem. While it is in my best interest to help you in life, something like this won't work out. Which is why I am breaking up with you."

HOW this is racist in any way, shape or form, I can acknowledge, if someone were to be looking at it from the get-go. HOWEVER, and as I have informed Rouge about countless times before, I have told her about what happened, my reasoning, and all the details. IF she was to have felt to have been traumatized that day, that's life, and I'm sorry if that is so, but it's so. Also, to remind you, we are human, people. We make mistakes. Forgive and Forget. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 06:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ooh, I found this in the Privacy Policy of the Network, of which the fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info URL, source, and domain is under. According to this:

"...We do not control the content or links that appear on these sites and are not responsible for the practices employed by websites linked to or from the Club Penguin Wiki. In addition, these sites or services, including their content and links, may be constantly changing. These sites and services may have their own privacy policies and customer service policies. Browsing and interaction on any other website, including websites which have a link to our wiki, is subject to that website's own terms and policies."

In other words, websites off of the wiki is not fair game for stuff to happen on the wiki, per NETWORK rules. Case in point, Slender and the NS thing. I could go out on an edge and say that this entire thing is therefore irrelevant, but I wouldn't just to see you all bicker about it and not bother to read the network-wide rules. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 06:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• MAKE UP YOU TWO! Look, I didn't want to get entangled in this nonsense, but it seems that I must. I had far too many breakdowns and panic attacks, that it's already making me sick.--Rogue's on it! Ora et Labora! 09:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• I would recommend you keep your reasons out of it, Rouge. You have contacted me numerous times before-wise about issues, and I have helped you. The fact that you have panic attacks is purely irrational and over-reactive in my opinion, even given your age. You seem to hide the fact that you accepted this, and just want to get your revenge for something as petty as an online relationship. I also bring up the fact that breakups are supposed to get A POINT ACROSS AND BE TRUTHFUL. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 14:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• dat nonsense. --Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 18:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• I have heard admins on the CPW and Shops openly say their dislike for the wiki and/or network, Bro. You also said you hated shops, yet you're on it as well. Being a hypocrite much? And if your point is that "I hate fanon, therefore lets demote me," why not demote them as well off of staffer/admin then. You're being illogical and irrational, and to me, that's embarrassing to your image, and this wiki's image of which is supposed to emerge a nice, shiny fanon, but instead one of which the users somewhat think of punishments in the middle ages. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 01:24, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe Wonder isn't a threat to peace on this wiki. Maybe you are a threat to peace on this wiki. --Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 13:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

• Another thing. You and Swiss's decision to make a huge uproar on this has made 3 users (including myself) quit so far, with multiple users getting aggravated. Would you rather have just one user go away, or multiple just to get what you want and more. I am not speaking for myself, rather the people in general, when we say that everything you are doing is causing this wiki to collapse in onto itself. In the best interest of the wiki, and not myself, I would suggest you drop this subject immediately. You got half of what you want-- me gone. Be grateful for that and don't be greedy for more. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 01:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately everyone forgot the whole reason for this demotion, and the topic appears to have drifted from you. Penstubal and CK voted for the sake again Bro. This fight is a moral crusade against your harassment of me and your misbehavior on the irc, not including the silly ban thing. All this will be over soon.

--User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 02:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• I do not think you get the definition of "you're embarrassing yourself" with these futile fights and "moral crusades." Did I learn something? Yes, not to evoke the wrath of people here because they will jump and attempt to get even with something that happened over a month ago. I'm gonna be a tad bit philosophical and say that if you judge others, they shall judge you. It's getting annoying to have to deal with this every single constant day. You're older than I, you're more mature than I, according to you. Act like your age, let it go, deal with it, because I'm just one of the hundreds of people you'll meet that act like this. If you do this in real life (which I honestly doubt you do for the sake of your reputation), then I am disappointed in you, and those others/those around you shall too. Act like you do in real life, online. I act sort of rowdy, and I admit I sometimes hurt people, but they let it go, and they forgive and forget. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 03:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• If you really want this drama to end now, you can always renounce your admin powers now, on the grounds of user harassment. If not, then this vote will continue until the deadline.

--User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 04:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• I want this vote to continue on. I don't lose this easily to anyone, Swiss. I want someone to have a change of heart, be it them, or "my side." Until then, deal with the error of which you done for your own selfishness. You lose users, you gain nothing. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 04:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

"Wonderweez is a threat to the peace of this wiki, using subversive tactics to destroy wiki stability." Sorry, but to be honest, I think the wiki was already not so peaceful before this has even occurred. --not amigopen 05:01, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Just to point out, I didn't vote just to go against bro. I voted to keep wonder because to me he seems like one of the only people here that fights for the good of the people and follows the written regulations of the wiki, and I feel that at least having someone that does that in the administration is good because it balances out everyone else to some extent. You can't just have ying, you gotta have yang too. WannaTalk? 06:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• • Same. --Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 17:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Our wiki goes in cycles. Peace to conflict and then to peace, and then to conflict. It is history repeated itself. As for the loss of users:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."

Those who left will come again once the tide recedes. A yin must have yang. But wonder is no yang.

-User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 06:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• In that case, the way you go at it, you're saying I'm not a yang, therefore, with the logic of yin and yang, I must be a yin. The question is, who's the real yang here. Also, with what you said, yes, they may come back, but their view on this wiki, the network, and you with you choosing new than the old, changed. You'll have to retrain the new ones, and who knows, maybe they'll be another me, or another anyone. In the end, there will never be one person fighting against what is wrong, all of us will be. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 06:33, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I mean yin nor yang. But whatever. Instead of defending yourself, you attack me. --User:Swiss Ninja (My Talk Page) 06:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

There's no such thing as another thing of yin and yang. It is described as an equal balance of dark and light, good and evil, you name it. There is no "demi-yinyang" because therefore the concept of yin-yang would be disproven. I'm not attacking you, nor defending myself. I am making a statement of which is true, no matter how you look at it. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 07:23, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to be honest: a lot of the Admins here really should take a break. You're all stressing a lot over a wiki. Just make fanon and everyone stop creating wiki politics. I mean this on both sides. --The Great and Powerful Trixie ^{(CPFW Revolution 2013 Talk|CPFW Revolution 2013 Rants|Rubbish)} 20:50, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• "Why have an admin who hates the very people and place he rules over?"
  • First off, admins don't rule anything. They're here to make sure the masses don't get off-topic. The users decide how much power an admin holds.
  • Secondly, you guys are finding the smallest things to critique. Everyone needs to man up, admit their mistake and move on. This all could have been avoided if you stayed chill and weren't offended by the slightest things.
  • Policy can't be used here because no one abides by policy in the first place. It's literally a dog eat dog wiki here. There is no law and those with meaningless titles are feared and when they break policy, no one can do anything.
  • I think staffers finally need to take control of this wiki and strip everyone of their powers. Seahorse needs to reset the users, make sure Council and Policy are used properly, and IF everyone abides by rules, Seahorse can open up RfAs to those who are deemed worthy by the community.
  • Probably wasted an IP with this, but oh well. Hopefully this message stays on and people take its lesson into account.

• • • ^^ I agree with all of this said by the I.P. I admit, I made mistakes, and I apologize for them. Yet, the advice given here is quite needed. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 04:31, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• • Why is the IP so familiar... --Rogue's on it! Ora et Labora! 09:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
• Being that I attend debate club and have done good results in debate overall, Wonder's arguments are without a doubt very good. Not voting for him just because I "hate" someone else for doing this, but for the reason that the situation becomes a lot more clear from his perspective. -- Snowstormer ^{Talk • Contributions} 11:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• So, the Administration has decided to silence Wonderweez. I have no care for this Wiki, but it saddens me that when I retired I didn't leave it in capable hands. I side with Wonderweez based on this injustice. Wonderweez may have said some stupid things, but he still has reasonable points. The Administration here is corrupt, wreckless and incompetent. I want a full block reason from TurtleShroom, not 'SN told me all'. And wow, you have to go to TurtleShroom to make a decision? Seriously? --The Great and Powerful Trixie ^{(CPFW Revolution 2013 Talk|CPFW Revolution 2013 Rants|Rubbish)} 16:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• AJ, Unfortunately in today's Fanon "SN told it all" is enough reason when it's TS blocking, and tbh there's nothing anyone can do about it. Also, TS is the leader of this wiki apparently everyone one reigns, even Swiss Ninja (Swiss won't even remove that "no cursing" text from the IRC topic solely because TS added it, because he has let people like Bro curse on the channel before). WannaTalk? 18:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• On another note, I find this wrong. Swiss said he'd let this campaign play out democratically, but when it became apparent he may actually survive he's banned.Also, did anyone notice that TS re-promoted himself to b-crat even though he was purposefully demoted in January after that demotion vote was held (can't find the link because it was probably deleted by TS or Swiss)? WannaTalk? 18:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
  • You're wrong. Amigo is the one who promoted herself to bureaucrat. TS just gave himself rollback and import. -- Bro ^{Talk to me!} 19:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
    • For some reason God knows what, Sea seemed to react to that and not this stupid discussion that we seem to keep going. --not amigopen 23:43, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Whoops, excuse my error. You're right, I must've been confused by his comment. WannaTalk? 20:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
• This is a big part of the reason why I don't come on here (the network in general) anymore. Unless Fanon stops being a corrupt dictatorship, I'm refusing to edit. -- Snowstormer ^{Talk • Contributions} 10:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Me too. Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 11:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• And then you come and ask "How are we a dictatorship plox?". Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 11:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)