User blog:Swiss Ninja/Proposition No Anonymity

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Hello Fellow Users, this is a wiki Bureaucrat, User:Swiss Ninja. Please read the following important announcement and law proposition.

For those that do not know, on April 14th and 15th, the Club Penguin Fanon Wiki experienced a rare crisis that happens at least once or twice a year.....We were raided by vandals. The good news? We killed them off easily, as we typically do. Extreme thanks to TurtleShroom, Andrew, and Amigopen for their help for reverting the extreme vandal mess.

The Vandals claimed to be part of the group known as the Purple Republic, shortened as PR. Although they are known for raiding and attacking Club Penguin itself, it is strange that they have attacked us since we are not affiliated with Club Penguin at all.

Also, the majority of these vandals were registered user accounts that were created, but some of them were regular IP addresses that vandalize, which brings me to today's point:

BANNING IP ADRESSES (Unregistered Users or Not Logged in Users) FROM EDITING THIS WIKI FOR GOOD.

Personally, I EXTREMELY dislike the idea of anonymous IP Adresses editing our pages. Why? It's because we don't know who they are, and because most of the time, they add inappropriate content or stupid gibberish. But I really shouldn't be the one to influence your opinions...instead, I'll give you the pros and cons of this.

Pros of banning IP Adresses from Editing

• Anonymous IP vandalism can be COMPLETELY removed.

• Vandals would have to go through the trouble of registering their accounts, which means we can just ban them and prevent account creation instead of banning their whole IP Adress

• This encourages people to make accounts and officially join the wiki as someone recognizable.

• If an IP adress is banned, it could effect other households who SHARE that IP adress, which is not fair to those who DO want to edit for the good of the wiki.

• IP Adresses won't be revealed editing (which means, they will have a lesser chance of being tracked down)

• Finally, this is exactly what the old Wiki was and still is like. This ban of IP Adresses editing was already in place when I first joined the old CPFW years ago.

Cons of banning IP Adresses from Editing

• People who do not have accounts can not edit

• Users who do not want to log in can not edit.

• Vandals can still make accounts and vandalize.

• idk what else, but that's what i can think of at the moment

So Club Penguin Fanon Wiki community, what do YOU think about this law proposition that will be sent to the Staff? Should we ban unknown people (IP Adresses) from editing this wiki, or should we leave everything as it is?

VOTE BELOW! EVERY USER CAN VOTE!

Votes

Vote here. No neutral votes allowed. If you feel you are neutral on this subject, you do not have to vote.

For

• Imma stick to what I've said. IPs : become a part of the community so you get recognition for your work. Why edit anonymously? Don't really see an objective in that. -- ¤ (User page!) (Dat's DENCH me brudda!) 16:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

• Once you become a user, you're more likely to keep coming back. I vote yes.--Kwiksilver - Drop it like it's hot while the pimp's in the crib. 22:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

• IPs are pointless if they just make useless stubs and spam the wiki --Papa Flywish ^{WOO WOO WOO! YOU KNOW IT BRO!} 03:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Against

• You're acting like trying to get a law about crime passed after Trayvon. Andrew (It is he who makes the butter fly) 19:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
• Still against --PenBlooeR 19:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
• No. Everyone has a right not to have an user account if they wish. And anyway Swiss, what's your problem with IPs? If anything vandal IPs are better since they can't edit semi-protected pages and if we wanted to, we could trace their IPs easier (although why would you want to do that I'm not sure). --Agent Johnson |  For once Channel 5 (UK) is actually doing alright. They broadcast football matches you want to watch, The Gadget Show is bloody good and for christ sakes they have Big Brother! But scrap Channel 5 News, no one watches it, scrap Fifth Gear, everyone watches Top Gear and scrap Milkshake, because toddlers watch Cebeebies. TL;DR: Channel 5 is dumb since still don't know people don't watch them but they're getting smarter cause now we are watching them. 06:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

• I changed my mind after reading KameKinoko-sama's (TurtleShroom's) email. ^^; Gomen Suissu-sama. (Sorry Swiss.) >< /// User:Iceflower485

• I think that preventing IP's from editing is more likely to allow vandals to edit easily. Mainly the fact that an IPban is much easier to issue on the vandal so they can't just re-join with another username. ----Epic Intro Of Blackness^{So Do You Think That Was Epic? Tell Me Now!} 12:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

PS: I haven't been active recently because I've had trouble with cookies, advice would be appreciated, my browser is IE8.

• I'm gonna say no, but hey, if we couldn't get that one privacy-intruding bill to not pass the house, how can we stop this? Who do you think you are, expecting something fancy in Ponyo Fan's signature? 03:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• User:Flame of Fate

“	Oh, the IP ban? I think it's reactionary and a malformed attempt to weed out the bad apples that came recently. I support IP editing, and the biggest reason is actually the fact that Explorer himself was an IP for well over six months before his parents let him join! He edited a lot in six months as an IP. If we stifled that, how could we convince shy people to try the Wiki before they commit to registering? It'd be extremely damaging to me, too. My phone has trouble logging me in because my password is in binary, which I encrypt and decrypt by copying and pasting! Many times, I edit by mobile IP to make "quickie reversions" to non-protected articles. The IP thing is as retarded and poorly thought out as a law can get. If I were Webmaster, I'd delete/veto the proposition without trial.	”
	— TurtleShroom, by E-mail

• • --† TurtleShroom™! Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! † :) :) ^{THAT'S A VERY NICE TALK PAGE YOU HAVE HERE. IT'D BE A SHAME IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO IT...} † † Enderman's inside my house. __^[1]_ ―――――――</big>
    23:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
    
    

• Changed my mind right after TS said the thing above. Sorry Swiss Hello, my name is Star Kirby12. Chat first, ask questions later. Then let's do something! • Tobot?•Some challenges?•A few drafts and stuff? • AND MAH RANDOM IMAGE!!!! 23:30, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Comments

• Just a comment on Amigopen and Fum's agreements.
  • Amigopen: Well, it can be reverted.
  • Fum: I was lucky that none of my pages were attacked, though my userpage was vandalized. Sir, I am in need of assistance!~ 09:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

"Agreed. Since you can be at any age and still join"

Nope. You must be at least 13 to join the wiki. That applies to all the wikis in the Club Penguin Wiki Network. But nobody respects tthat rule. And your pages won't be vandalized by IPs if they are protected under the COC. When the article is yours, you say what goes and what doesn't. Onde day, Andrew said to me: "Is the problem bad enough so that you can't handle it? I don't think so."--PenBlooeR 15:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

• No, Swiss Ninja said you don't have to be at least 13 to join the wiki, anyway most teens wouldn't be interested. Sir, I am in need of assistance!~ 07:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what Swiss Ninja said, it's a LAW. And blocking IPs from editing is for lazy admins. Look at RC, there's still vandalism --PenBlooeR 15:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

And I had to do *5* reverts SN didn't do. SN is still being cheap, and we can't dol out the money for someone to monitor the wiki 24/7. Seriously. Andrew (It is he who makes the butter fly) 20:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

There are 10 admins. Only 2 or 3 of them are active. --PenBlooeR 21:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Andrew: i apologize; i was in a rush, i had to go to school, and i was on the iTouch and had no time. I would have done 'em. Honest.

-- 22:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Penblooer: I dont follow that rule since:

1. 1: it's only an American law. The internet is global. Why should everyone else be bound to a stupid American Law PASSED IN 1998?
2. 2: no one listened to that law. I joined when i was 12 in 2009. Explorer was way under 12 when he joined. Same with HF. Feey joined when he was 12. Flywish joined when he was 12, i think...Chibi joined when she was 11.....

-- 22:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Bcause the CPWN is hosted in the US. I don't care about that either, but some staffers seem to care about it a lot --PenBlooeR 14:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, none of them have really done anything about it. -- 15:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

LM has --PenBlooeR 15:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)